Sehr geehrte Frau Präsidentin! Liebe Kolleginnen und Kollegen! Warum haben wir eigentlich heute eine Aktuelle Stunde
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", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Weil das immer Freitagnachmittag ist!)", "timeStart": "12.200", "timeEnd": "24.120" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "der AfD zum Thema „Digital Services Act“?
", "sentences": [ { "text": "der AfD zum Thema „Digital Services Act“?", "timeStart": "19.060", "timeEnd": "24.120" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Ruben Rupp [AfD]: 120 Millionen Euro Strafe! Haben Sie das mitbekommen?)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Ruben Rupp [AfD]: 120 Millionen Euro Strafe! Haben Sie das mitbekommen?)", "timeStart": "19.060", "timeEnd": "29.320" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Diese Gesetze sind schon seit eineinhalb Jahren in Kraft.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Diese Gesetze sind schon seit eineinhalb Jahren in Kraft.", "timeStart": "24.120", "timeEnd": "29.320" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Ruben Rupp [AfD]: Weil das die erste große Strafe ist!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Ruben Rupp [AfD]: Weil das die erste große Strafe ist!)", "timeStart": "24.120", "timeEnd": "36.400" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Könnte es vielleicht damit zu tun haben, dass der AfD-Freund Elon Musk
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Könnte es vielleicht damit zu tun haben, dass der AfD-Freund Elon Musk", "timeStart": "29.320", "timeEnd": "36.400" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Maja Wallstein [SPD]: Was?!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Maja Wallstein [SPD]: Was?!)", "timeStart": "29.320", "timeEnd": "44.240" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "vorletzte Woche von der EU-Kommission zu einer Strafe von 120 Millionen Euro verdonnert worden ist?
", "sentences": [ { "text": "vorletzte Woche von der EU-Kommission zu einer Strafe von 120 Millionen Euro verdonnert worden ist?", "timeStart": "36.400", "timeEnd": "44.240" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Sie sind was ganz Großem auf der Spur, Frau Lührmann! – Zuruf des Abg. Dr. Alaa Alhamwi [BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN] – Weitere Zurufe von der AfD)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Sie sind was ganz Großem auf der Spur, Frau Lührmann! – Zuruf des Abg. Dr. Alaa Alhamwi [BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN] – Weitere Zurufe von der AfD)", "timeStart": "36.400", "timeEnd": "51.520" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Könnte es vielleicht damit zu tun haben, dass das Weiße Haus sich gegen die europäischen Digitalgesetze gewehrt hat?
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Könnte es vielleicht damit zu tun haben, dass das Weiße Haus sich gegen die europäischen Digitalgesetze gewehrt hat?", "timeStart": "44.240", "timeEnd": "51.520" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Das ist doch offensichtlich! – Maja Wallstein [SPD]: Nein!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Das ist doch offensichtlich! – Maja Wallstein [SPD]: Nein!)", "timeStart": "44.240", "timeEnd": "57.240" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Könnte es vielleicht damit zu tun haben, dass die Digitalgesetze Donald Trump nicht so gefallen?
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Könnte es vielleicht damit zu tun haben, dass die Digitalgesetze Donald Trump nicht so gefallen?", "timeStart": "51.520", "timeEnd": "57.240" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Liebe AfD, wie funktioniert das eigentlich? Sie lassen sich zum Handlanger machen. Wie bestellt man bei Ihnen Politik? Ruft dann Elon Musk bei Alice Weidel mit weinerlicher Stimme an und sagt: „Liebe Alice! Bitte, bitte, Alice, hilf mir!“
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Liebe AfD, wie funktioniert das eigentlich?", "timeStart": "57.240", "timeEnd": "59.720" }, { "text": "Sie lassen sich zum Handlanger machen.", "timeStart": "59.720", "timeEnd": "62.760" }, { "text": "Wie bestellt man bei Ihnen Politik?", "timeStart": "62.760", "timeEnd": "65.200" }, { "text": "Ruft dann Elon Musk bei Alice Weidel mit weinerlicher Stimme an und sagt: „Liebe Alice!", "timeStart": "65.200", "timeEnd": "70.480" }, { "text": "Bitte, bitte, Alice, hilf mir!“", "timeStart": "70.480", "timeEnd": "73.080" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Genau so läuft das! Sie haben uns durchschaut!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Genau so läuft das! Sie haben uns durchschaut!)", "timeStart": "70.480", "timeEnd": "75.760" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "„Ihr wollt doch auch die EU zerstören.“? Liebe Kolleginnen und Kollegen, die AfD macht sich zum Handlanger ausländischer Mächte. Sie verraten deutsche Interessen. Sie sind Antipatrioten.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "„Ihr wollt doch auch die EU zerstören.“?", "timeStart": "73.080", "timeEnd": "75.760" }, { "text": "Liebe Kolleginnen und Kollegen, die AfD macht sich zum Handlanger ausländischer Mächte.", "timeStart": "75.760", "timeEnd": "87.200" }, { "text": "Sie verraten deutsche Interessen.", "timeStart": "87.200", "timeEnd": "89.200" }, { "text": "Sie sind Antipatrioten.", "timeStart": "89.200", "timeEnd": "90.520" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN und bei der SPD sowie bei Abgeordneten der CDU/CSU und der Linken)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN und bei der SPD sowie bei Abgeordneten der CDU/CSU und der Linken)", "timeStart": "89.200", "timeEnd": "99.440" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Warum gibt es denn eigentlich diese Digitalgesetze?
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Warum gibt es denn eigentlich diese Digitalgesetze?", "timeStart": "90.520", "timeEnd": "99.440" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Zuruf des Abg. Stephan Brandner [AfD] – Gegenruf des Abg. Boris Mijatović [BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN]: Hören Sie doch einfach mal zu! – Weiterer Gegenruf von der AfD)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Zuruf des Abg. Stephan Brandner [AfD] – Gegenruf des Abg. Boris Mijatović [BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN]: Hören Sie doch einfach mal zu! – Weiterer Gegenruf von der AfD)", "timeStart": "90.520", "timeEnd": "106.240" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Aktuell dominieren einige wenige Milliardäre mit ihren Digitalkonzernen das Internet. Sie steuern die sozialen Medien: Musk mit X, Zuckerberg mit Instagram und Facebook,
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Aktuell dominieren einige wenige Milliardäre mit ihren Digitalkonzernen das Internet.", "timeStart": "99.440", "timeEnd": "106.240" }, { "text": "Sie steuern die sozialen Medien: Musk mit X, Zuckerberg mit Instagram und Facebook,", "timeStart": "106.240", "timeEnd": "111.700" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Deutscher Staatsfunk!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Deutscher Staatsfunk!)", "timeStart": "106.240", "timeEnd": "114.140" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "der chinesische Staat steht hinter Tiktok. Es wird also in den USA und in China entschieden, was uns hier angezeigt wird. Auf diesen Plattformen kann vielleicht jeder alles sagen, aber eben nicht jeder findet gleich viel Gehör. Was Elon Musk gefällt, wird Tausenden, ja Millionen von Menschen angezeigt. Was ihm nicht so gefällt, das verschwindet dann unter ferner liefen. Das ist wirklich unfair.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "der chinesische Staat steht hinter Tiktok.", "timeStart": "111.700", "timeEnd": "114.140" }, { "text": "Es wird also in den USA und in China entschieden, was uns hier angezeigt wird.", "timeStart": "114.140", "timeEnd": "119.940" }, { "text": "Auf diesen Plattformen kann vielleicht jeder alles sagen, aber eben nicht jeder findet gleich viel Gehör.", "timeStart": "119.940", "timeEnd": "126.740" }, { "text": "Was Elon Musk gefällt, wird Tausenden, ja Millionen von Menschen angezeigt.", "timeStart": "126.740", "timeEnd": "131.700" }, { "text": "Was ihm nicht so gefällt, das verschwindet dann unter ferner liefen.", "timeStart": "131.700", "timeEnd": "135.120" }, { "text": "Das ist wirklich unfair.", "timeStart": "135.120", "timeEnd": "137.400" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD – Kay Gottschalk [AfD]: Das ist beim „Spiegel“ auch so, Frau Kollegin!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD – Kay Gottschalk [AfD]: Das ist beim „Spiegel“ auch so, Frau Kollegin!)", "timeStart": "135.120", "timeEnd": "140.920" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Deswegen haben wir Digitalgesetze. Sie setzen klare Regeln für das Internet. Sie sorgen dafür, dass wir aus diesem Wilden Westen herauskommen. Dort gilt das Recht des Stärkeren, der Schreihälse, der Rüpel und der Superreichen. Wir leben hier immer noch in einer Demokratie, und es kann nicht sein, dass einzelne Milliardäre darüber entscheiden, worüber wir hier sprechen. Wir brauchen Meinungsvielfalt, und wir brauchen gleiche Regeln für alle.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Deswegen haben wir Digitalgesetze.", "timeStart": "137.400", "timeEnd": "140.920" }, { "text": "Sie setzen klare Regeln für das Internet.", "timeStart": "140.920", "timeEnd": "143.480" }, { "text": "Sie sorgen dafür, dass wir aus diesem Wilden Westen herauskommen.", "timeStart": "143.480", "timeEnd": "146.320" }, { "text": "Dort gilt das Recht des Stärkeren, der Schreihälse, der Rüpel und der Superreichen.", "timeStart": "146.320", "timeEnd": "151.320" }, { "text": "Wir leben hier immer noch in einer Demokratie, und es kann nicht sein, dass einzelne Milliardäre darüber entscheiden, worüber wir hier sprechen.", "timeStart": "151.320", "timeEnd": "157.840" }, { "text": "Wir brauchen Meinungsvielfalt, und wir brauchen gleiche Regeln für alle.", "timeStart": "157.840", "timeEnd": "164.800" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD – Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Das ist richtig! Sagen Sie das Maischberger und Co!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD – Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Das ist richtig! Sagen Sie das Maischberger und Co!)", "timeStart": "157.840", "timeEnd": "173.740" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Oft höre ich von Bürgerinnen und Bürgern: Können wir eigentlich überhaupt etwas gegen diese Übermacht der Digitalkonzerne tun? Ich sage: Yes, we can!
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Oft höre ich von Bürgerinnen und Bürgern: Können wir eigentlich überhaupt etwas gegen diese Übermacht der Digitalkonzerne tun?", "timeStart": "164.800", "timeEnd": "173.740" }, { "text": "Ich sage: Yes, we can!", "timeStart": "173.740", "timeEnd": "177.280" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Ruben Rupp [AfD]: Ja, ARD schauen!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Ruben Rupp [AfD]: Ja, ARD schauen!)", "timeStart": "173.740", "timeEnd": "182.000" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Wir haben starke EU-Digitalgesetze für sichere und faire soziale Medien. Sie beginnen zu wirken. Das Belegen von X mit einer Strafzahlung zeigt: Der Rechtsstaat funktioniert. Und die Reaktion von Elon Musk? Er rennt zu seinen Freunden von der AfD – deswegen sind wir heute hier – und zu Donald Trump. Stellen Sie sich das mal vor: Ein Bayernspieler würde zum Beispiel eine gelbe Karte bekommen und dann gleich zu Markus Söder rennen, damit der sich beim Schiedsrichter beschwert.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Wir haben starke EU-Digitalgesetze für sichere und faire soziale Medien.", "timeStart": "177.280", "timeEnd": "182.000" }, { "text": "Sie beginnen zu wirken.", "timeStart": "182.000", "timeEnd": "183.240" }, { "text": "Das Belegen von X mit einer Strafzahlung zeigt: Der Rechtsstaat funktioniert.", "timeStart": "183.240", "timeEnd": "188.960" }, { "text": "Und die Reaktion von Elon Musk?", "timeStart": "188.960", "timeEnd": "190.980" }, { "text": "Er rennt zu seinen Freunden von der AfD – deswegen sind wir heute hier – und zu Donald Trump.", "timeStart": "190.980", "timeEnd": "196.200" }, { "text": "Stellen Sie sich das mal vor: Ein Bayernspieler würde zum Beispiel eine gelbe Karte bekommen und dann gleich zu Markus Söder rennen, damit der sich beim Schiedsrichter beschwert.", "timeStart": "196.200", "timeEnd": "204.480" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Dr. Alaa Alhamwi [BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN]: Unverschämt!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Dr. Alaa Alhamwi [BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN]: Unverschämt!)", "timeStart": "196.200", "timeEnd": "205.680" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Das ist doch keine Demokratie. Das ist kein Zustand. Und das muss sich ändern.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Das ist doch keine Demokratie.", "timeStart": "204.480", "timeEnd": "205.680" }, { "text": "Das ist kein Zustand.", "timeStart": "205.680", "timeEnd": "206.600" }, { "text": "Und das muss sich ändern.", "timeStart": "206.600", "timeEnd": "207.760" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD – Zuruf des Abg. Stephan Brandner [AfD])
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD – Zuruf des Abg. Stephan Brandner [AfD])", "timeStart": "206.600", "timeEnd": "217.960" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Die Digitalgesetze haben auch dazu geführt, dass Tiktok seine Werbemechanismen wirklich konkret angepasst hat. Das zeigt: Es kann funktionieren. Und für 2026 wünsche ich mir noch mehr Mut bei der Anwendung der EU-Digitalgesetze. Herr Staatssekretär, Sie haben gerade gesagt: Wir müssen uns die Frage stellen, ob der DSA bisher sein Ziel erreicht hat. – Ich würde sagen, bisher noch nicht, weil er eben auch noch nicht konsequent genug angewendet worden ist.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Die Digitalgesetze haben auch dazu geführt, dass Tiktok seine Werbemechanismen wirklich konkret angepasst hat.", "timeStart": "207.760", "timeEnd": "217.960" }, { "text": "Das zeigt: Es kann funktionieren.", "timeStart": "217.960", "timeEnd": "220.000" }, { "text": "Und für 2026 wünsche ich mir noch mehr Mut bei der Anwendung der EU-Digitalgesetze.", "timeStart": "220.000", "timeEnd": "225.840" }, { "text": "Herr Staatssekretär, Sie haben gerade gesagt: Wir müssen uns die Frage stellen, ob der DSA bisher sein Ziel erreicht hat.", "timeStart": "225.840", "timeEnd": "232.420" }, { "text": "– Ich würde sagen, bisher noch nicht, weil er eben auch noch nicht konsequent genug angewendet worden ist.", "timeStart": "232.420", "timeEnd": "237.480" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beifall bei Abgeordneten des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN und des Abg. Johannes Schätzl [SPD])
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beifall bei Abgeordneten des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN und des Abg. Johannes Schätzl [SPD])", "timeStart": "232.420", "timeEnd": "244.800" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Deswegen wünsche ich mir von der Bundesregierung fürs neue Jahr – vielleicht können Sie mir diesen Wunsch erfüllen –,
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Deswegen wünsche ich mir von der Bundesregierung fürs neue Jahr – vielleicht können Sie mir diesen Wunsch erfüllen –,", "timeStart": "237.480", "timeEnd": "244.800" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Ruben Rupp [AfD]: … mehr Zensur!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Ruben Rupp [AfD]: … mehr Zensur!)", "timeStart": "237.480", "timeEnd": "252.680" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "dass diese Digitalgesetze wirklich konsequent angewendet werden, gemeinsam mit der EU-Kommission – Sie haben da ja einiges zu sagen in Brüssel.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "dass diese Digitalgesetze wirklich konsequent angewendet werden, gemeinsam mit der EU-Kommission – Sie haben da ja einiges zu sagen in Brüssel.", "timeStart": "244.800", "timeEnd": "252.680" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Es gibt da ganz konkrete Schritte, die wir gehen können, damit soziale Medien wirklich wieder sozial werden, ein Ort werden, an dem wir uns gerne aufhalten, aus dem wir nicht von Hass und Hetze wieder rausgeschubst werden. Drei konkrete Vorschläge, was man morgen in Brüssel umsetzen könnte, wenn man denn wollte:
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Es gibt da ganz konkrete Schritte, die wir gehen können, damit soziale Medien wirklich wieder sozial werden, ein Ort werden, an dem wir uns gerne aufhalten, aus dem wir nicht von Hass und Hetze wieder rausgeschubst werden.", "timeStart": "252.680", "timeEnd": "265.800" }, { "text": "Drei konkrete Vorschläge, was man morgen in Brüssel umsetzen könnte, wenn man denn wollte:", "timeStart": "265.800", "timeEnd": "271.080" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Erstens. Wir brauchen Algorithmen, die ausgleichen und nicht spalten. Aktuell ist ja Tiktok so ein bisschen wie die „Bild“-Zeitung auf Koks. Das heißt, es wird wirklich immer das nach oben gespült, was am lautesten schreit, was am häufigsten an den polarisierten Rändern vorkommt. Man kann das mit sogenannten Bridging-Algorithmen ändern. Das geht. Das muss die EU-Kommission umsetzen.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Erstens.", "timeStart": "271.080", "timeEnd": "271.520" }, { "text": "Wir brauchen Algorithmen, die ausgleichen und nicht spalten.", "timeStart": "271.520", "timeEnd": "275.240" }, { "text": "Aktuell ist ja Tiktok so ein bisschen wie die „Bild“-Zeitung auf Koks.", "timeStart": "275.240", "timeEnd": "279.080" }, { "text": "Das heißt, es wird wirklich immer das nach oben gespült, was am lautesten schreit, was am häufigsten an den polarisierten Rändern vorkommt.", "timeStart": "279.080", "timeEnd": "285.600" }, { "text": "Man kann das mit sogenannten Bridging-Algorithmen ändern.", "timeStart": "285.600", "timeEnd": "289.440" }, { "text": "Das geht.", "timeStart": "289.440", "timeEnd": "290.080" }, { "text": "Das muss die EU-Kommission umsetzen.", "timeStart": "290.080", "timeEnd": "292.200" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD – Zuruf des Abg. Ruben Rupp [AfD])
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD – Zuruf des Abg. Ruben Rupp [AfD])", "timeStart": "290.080", "timeEnd": "311.320" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Zweitens braucht man Gütesiegel und klare Standards für journalistische Inhalte zum Beispiel auf der Basis eines Pressekodex, damit Nutzende wirklich sehen können: Das ist etwas, das nach journalistischen Standards gründlich recherchiert wurde.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Zweitens braucht man Gütesiegel und klare Standards für journalistische Inhalte zum Beispiel auf der Basis eines Pressekodex, damit Nutzende wirklich sehen können: Das ist etwas, das nach journalistischen Standards gründlich recherchiert wurde.", "timeStart": "292.200", "timeEnd": "311.320" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Und drittens gibt es auch Ideen wie zum Beispiel Graufilter, die man bei Überschreitung einer wünschenswerten Nutzungsdauer selber einstellen kann, um beispielsweise vom Angucken der Katzenvideos im Internet wieder zum Angucken der Katzen in der Realität kommen.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Und drittens gibt es auch Ideen wie zum Beispiel Graufilter, die man bei Überschreitung einer wünschenswerten Nutzungsdauer selber einstellen kann, um beispielsweise vom Angucken der Katzenvideos im Internet wieder zum Angucken der Katzen in der Realität kommen.", "timeStart": "311.320", "timeEnd": "345.000" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Josephine Ortleb", "speakerstatus": "vice-president", "text": "Kommen Sie bitte zum Ende Ihrer Rede.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Kommen Sie bitte zum Ende Ihrer Rede.", "timeStart": "345.000", "timeEnd": "348.720" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Anna Lührmann", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Und genau da wollen wir jetzt hin.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Und genau da wollen wir jetzt hin.", "timeStart": "348.720", "timeEnd": "350.440" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Josephine Ortleb", "speakerstatus": "vice-president", "text": "Frau Kollegin.
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(Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Weil das immer Freitagnachmittag ist!)
der AfD zum Thema „Digital Services Act“?
(Ruben Rupp [AfD]: 120 Millionen Euro Strafe! Haben Sie das mitbekommen?)
Diese Gesetze sind schon seit eineinhalb Jahren in Kraft.
(Ruben Rupp [AfD]: Weil das die erste große Strafe ist!)
Könnte es vielleicht damit zu tun haben, dass der AfD-Freund Elon Musk
(Maja Wallstein [SPD]: Was?!)
vorletzte Woche von der EU-Kommission zu einer Strafe von 120 Millionen Euro verdonnert worden ist?
(Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Sie sind was ganz Großem auf der Spur, Frau Lührmann! – Zuruf des Abg. Dr. Alaa Alhamwi [BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN] – Weitere Zurufe von der AfD)
Könnte es vielleicht damit zu tun haben, dass das Weiße Haus sich gegen die europäischen Digitalgesetze gewehrt hat?
(Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Das ist doch offensichtlich! – Maja Wallstein [SPD]: Nein!)
Könnte es vielleicht damit zu tun haben, dass die Digitalgesetze Donald Trump nicht so gefallen?
Liebe AfD, wie funktioniert das eigentlich? Sie lassen sich zum Handlanger machen. Wie bestellt man bei Ihnen Politik? Ruft dann Elon Musk bei Alice Weidel mit weinerlicher Stimme an und sagt: „Liebe Alice! Bitte, bitte, Alice, hilf mir!“
(Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Genau so läuft das! Sie haben uns durchschaut!)
„Ihr wollt doch auch die EU zerstören.“? Liebe Kolleginnen und Kollegen, die AfD macht sich zum Handlanger ausländischer Mächte. Sie verraten deutsche Interessen. Sie sind Antipatrioten.
(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN und bei der SPD sowie bei Abgeordneten der CDU/CSU und der Linken)
Warum gibt es denn eigentlich diese Digitalgesetze?
(Zuruf des Abg. Stephan Brandner [AfD] – Gegenruf des Abg. Boris Mijatović [BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN]: Hören Sie doch einfach mal zu! – Weiterer Gegenruf von der AfD)
Aktuell dominieren einige wenige Milliardäre mit ihren Digitalkonzernen das Internet. Sie steuern die sozialen Medien: Musk mit X, Zuckerberg mit Instagram und Facebook,
(Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Deutscher Staatsfunk!)
der chinesische Staat steht hinter Tiktok. Es wird also in den USA und in China entschieden, was uns hier angezeigt wird. Auf diesen Plattformen kann vielleicht jeder alles sagen, aber eben nicht jeder findet gleich viel Gehör. Was Elon Musk gefällt, wird Tausenden, ja Millionen von Menschen angezeigt. Was ihm nicht so gefällt, das verschwindet dann unter ferner liefen. Das ist wirklich unfair.
(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD – Kay Gottschalk [AfD]: Das ist beim „Spiegel“ auch so, Frau Kollegin!)
Deswegen haben wir Digitalgesetze. Sie setzen klare Regeln für das Internet. Sie sorgen dafür, dass wir aus diesem Wilden Westen herauskommen. Dort gilt das Recht des Stärkeren, der Schreihälse, der Rüpel und der Superreichen. Wir leben hier immer noch in einer Demokratie, und es kann nicht sein, dass einzelne Milliardäre darüber entscheiden, worüber wir hier sprechen. Wir brauchen Meinungsvielfalt, und wir brauchen gleiche Regeln für alle.
(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD – Stephan Brandner [AfD]: Das ist richtig! Sagen Sie das Maischberger und Co!)
Oft höre ich von Bürgerinnen und Bürgern: Können wir eigentlich überhaupt etwas gegen diese Übermacht der Digitalkonzerne tun? Ich sage: Yes, we can!
(Ruben Rupp [AfD]: Ja, ARD schauen!)
Wir haben starke EU-Digitalgesetze für sichere und faire soziale Medien. Sie beginnen zu wirken. Das Belegen von X mit einer Strafzahlung zeigt: Der Rechtsstaat funktioniert. Und die Reaktion von Elon Musk? Er rennt zu seinen Freunden von der AfD – deswegen sind wir heute hier – und zu Donald Trump. Stellen Sie sich das mal vor: Ein Bayernspieler würde zum Beispiel eine gelbe Karte bekommen und dann gleich zu Markus Söder rennen, damit der sich beim Schiedsrichter beschwert.
(Dr. Alaa Alhamwi [BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN]: Unverschämt!)
Das ist doch keine Demokratie. Das ist kein Zustand. Und das muss sich ändern.
(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD – Zuruf des Abg. Stephan Brandner [AfD])
Die Digitalgesetze haben auch dazu geführt, dass Tiktok seine Werbemechanismen wirklich konkret angepasst hat. Das zeigt: Es kann funktionieren. Und für 2026 wünsche ich mir noch mehr Mut bei der Anwendung der EU-Digitalgesetze. Herr Staatssekretär, Sie haben gerade gesagt: Wir müssen uns die Frage stellen, ob der DSA bisher sein Ziel erreicht hat. – Ich würde sagen, bisher noch nicht, weil er eben auch noch nicht konsequent genug angewendet worden ist.
(Beifall bei Abgeordneten des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN und des Abg. Johannes Schätzl [SPD])
Deswegen wünsche ich mir von der Bundesregierung fürs neue Jahr – vielleicht können Sie mir diesen Wunsch erfüllen –,
(Ruben Rupp [AfD]: … mehr Zensur!)
dass diese Digitalgesetze wirklich konsequent angewendet werden, gemeinsam mit der EU-Kommission – Sie haben da ja einiges zu sagen in Brüssel.
Es gibt da ganz konkrete Schritte, die wir gehen können, damit soziale Medien wirklich wieder sozial werden, ein Ort werden, an dem wir uns gerne aufhalten, aus dem wir nicht von Hass und Hetze wieder rausgeschubst werden. Drei konkrete Vorschläge, was man morgen in Brüssel umsetzen könnte, wenn man denn wollte:
Erstens. Wir brauchen Algorithmen, die ausgleichen und nicht spalten. Aktuell ist ja Tiktok so ein bisschen wie die „Bild“-Zeitung auf Koks. Das heißt, es wird wirklich immer das nach oben gespült, was am lautesten schreit, was am häufigsten an den polarisierten Rändern vorkommt. Man kann das mit sogenannten Bridging-Algorithmen ändern. Das geht. Das muss die EU-Kommission umsetzen.
(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD – Zuruf des Abg. Ruben Rupp [AfD])
Zweitens braucht man Gütesiegel und klare Standards für journalistische Inhalte zum Beispiel auf der Basis eines Pressekodex, damit Nutzende wirklich sehen können: Das ist etwas, das nach journalistischen Standards gründlich recherchiert wurde.
Und drittens gibt es auch Ideen wie zum Beispiel Graufilter, die man bei Überschreitung einer wünschenswerten Nutzungsdauer selber einstellen kann, um beispielsweise vom Angucken der Katzenvideos im Internet wieder zum Angucken der Katzen in der Realität kommen.
Kommen Sie bitte zum Ende Ihrer Rede.
Und genau da wollen wir jetzt hin.
Frau Kollegin.
Ich komme zum Ende.
Nein, das war Ihr letzter Satz. Vielen Dank.
Wir können soziale Medien – –
(Das Mikrofon wird abgeschaltet – Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN)
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