Frau Präsidentin! Meine sehr verehrten Damen und Herren! Liebe Kolleginnen und Kollegen! Der Philosoph Karl Popper sagte einmal – ich zitiere –: In der Wissenschaft geht es nicht darum, recht zu haben, sondern darum, herauszufinden, was wahr ist.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Frau Präsidentin!", "timeStart": "1.000", "timeEnd": "1.920" }, { "text": "Meine sehr verehrten Damen und Herren!", "timeStart": "5.600", "timeEnd": "8.720" }, { "text": "Liebe Kolleginnen und Kollegen!", "timeStart": "8.720", "timeEnd": "11.380" }, { "text": "Der Philosoph Karl Popper sagte einmal – ich zitiere –: In der Wissenschaft geht es nicht darum, recht zu haben, sondern darum, herauszufinden, was wahr ist.", "timeStart": "11.380", "timeEnd": "22.340" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Deshalb ist es gängige Praxis, dass führende Klimaforscher regelmäßig ihre Berechnungen und Klimaszenarien aktualisieren. Dass die Klimaforscher nun das Extremszenario mit dem technischen Namen RCP 8.5 für unplausibel erklären, ist also kein Grund, die gesamte politische Klimaarchitektur infrage zu stellen.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Deshalb ist es gängige Praxis, dass führende Klimaforscher regelmäßig ihre Berechnungen und Klimaszenarien aktualisieren.", "timeStart": "22.340", "timeEnd": "30.200" }, { "text": "Dass die Klimaforscher nun das Extremszenario mit dem technischen Namen RCP 8.5 für unplausibel erklären, ist also kein Grund, die gesamte politische Klimaarchitektur infrage zu stellen.", "timeStart": "30.200", "timeEnd": "42.960" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beifall bei der CDU/CSU sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN – Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: Doch! – Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Agora Energiewende!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beifall bei der CDU/CSU sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN – Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: Doch! – Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Agora Energiewende!)", "timeStart": "30.200", "timeEnd": "43.840" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Ganz im Gegenteil,
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Ganz im Gegenteil,", "timeStart": "42.960", "timeEnd": "43.840" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Die Grundlage ist weg! Aber wir machen weiter, klar!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Die Grundlage ist weg! Aber wir machen weiter, klar!)", "timeStart": "42.960", "timeEnd": "59.840" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "die Anpassung der Szenarien zeigt doch, dass die Umsetzung des Pariser Klimaabkommens, der technologische Fortschritt und der Ausbau der erneuerbaren Energien wirken,
", "sentences": [ { "text": "die Anpassung der Szenarien zeigt doch, dass die Umsetzung des Pariser Klimaabkommens, der technologische Fortschritt und der Ausbau der erneuerbaren Energien wirken,", "timeStart": "43.840", "timeEnd": "59.840" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beifall bei Abgeordneten der CDU/CSU, der SPD und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN – Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Um Gottes willen, das glauben Sie doch selber nicht!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beifall bei Abgeordneten der CDU/CSU, der SPD und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN – Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Um Gottes willen, das glauben Sie doch selber nicht!)", "timeStart": "43.840", "timeEnd": "67.200" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "sie haben dafür gesorgt, dass dieses Extremszenario überflüssig geworden ist. Denn eine massive Ausweitung der Nutzung von Kohle ist mittlerweile unrealistisch.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "sie haben dafür gesorgt, dass dieses Extremszenario überflüssig geworden ist.", "timeStart": "59.840", "timeEnd": "67.200" }, { "text": "Denn eine massive Ausweitung der Nutzung von Kohle ist mittlerweile unrealistisch.", "timeStart": "67.200", "timeEnd": "73.080" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: China, dauernd Kohle!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: China, dauernd Kohle!)", "timeStart": "67.200", "timeEnd": "78.140" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Das ist doch eine gute Nachricht für den internationalen Klimaschutz.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Das ist doch eine gute Nachricht für den internationalen Klimaschutz.", "timeStart": "73.080", "timeEnd": "78.140" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Zuruf des Abg. Dr. Rainer Kraft [AfD])
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Zuruf des Abg. Dr. Rainer Kraft [AfD])", "timeStart": "73.080", "timeEnd": "92.320" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Kolleginnen und Kollegen von der AfD, Sie sind auf dem Irrweg, und Sie sind sich nicht zu schade für den billigen Versuch, hier einen Pseudoskandal zu konstruieren.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Kolleginnen und Kollegen von der AfD, Sie sind auf dem Irrweg, und Sie sind sich nicht zu schade für den billigen Versuch, hier einen Pseudoskandal zu konstruieren.", "timeStart": "78.140", "timeEnd": "92.320" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beifall bei der CDU/CSU sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN – Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Wahnsinn! Das ist der Grund, warum Sie bald untergehen! Wegen des Irrsinns! Sie sind ja schlimmer als die Grünen! – Dr. Rainer Kraft [AfD]: 22 Prozent!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beifall bei der CDU/CSU sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN – Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Wahnsinn! Das ist der Grund, warum Sie bald untergehen! Wegen des Irrsinns! Sie sind ja schlimmer als die Grünen! – Dr. Rainer Kraft [AfD]: 22 Prozent!)", "timeStart": "78.140", "timeEnd": "99.540" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Wir hingegen sehen den Kurs in der internationalen Klimapolitik durch den Wegfall des Extremszenarios bestätigt.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Wir hingegen sehen den Kurs in der internationalen Klimapolitik durch den Wegfall des Extremszenarios bestätigt.", "timeStart": "92.320", "timeEnd": "99.540" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Zur Wahrheit gehört aber auch – und das sage ich ganz deutlich –: Selbst wenn eine Erderwärmung von 4 bis 6 Grad Celsius vom Tisch ist,
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Zur Wahrheit gehört aber auch – und das sage ich ganz deutlich –: Selbst wenn eine Erderwärmung von 4 bis 6 Grad Celsius vom Tisch ist,", "timeStart": "99.540", "timeEnd": "107.280" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Zuruf der Abg. Beatrix von Storch [AfD])
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Zuruf der Abg. Beatrix von Storch [AfD])", "timeStart": "99.540", "timeEnd": "114.440" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "so darf die Staatengemeinschaft in ihren Anstrengungen, den Temperaturanstieg zu begrenzen, nicht nachlassen.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "so darf die Staatengemeinschaft in ihren Anstrengungen, den Temperaturanstieg zu begrenzen, nicht nachlassen.", "timeStart": "107.280", "timeEnd": "114.440" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Nein, Sie müssen das noch steigern! Dann sind Sie noch schneller weg! – Gegenruf der Abg. Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Genau!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Nein, Sie müssen das noch steigern! Dann sind Sie noch schneller weg! – Gegenruf der Abg. Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Genau!)", "timeStart": "107.280", "timeEnd": "120.360" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Auch eine weniger extreme Erderwärmung hat massive Auswirkungen auf unsere Lebensgrundlagen,
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Auch eine weniger extreme Erderwärmung hat massive Auswirkungen auf unsere Lebensgrundlagen,", "timeStart": "114.440", "timeEnd": "120.360" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Es bleibt so schlimm, wie angekündigt!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Es bleibt so schlimm, wie angekündigt!)", "timeStart": "114.440", "timeEnd": "125.120" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "die Gesundheit von Mensch und Tier und, ja, am Ende auch auf unseren Wohlstand,
", "sentences": [ { "text": "die Gesundheit von Mensch und Tier und, ja, am Ende auch auf unseren Wohlstand,", "timeStart": "120.360", "timeEnd": "125.120" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Den ruinieren Sie seit Jahren vorsätzlich! – Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Himmelherrgott!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Den ruinieren Sie seit Jahren vorsätzlich! – Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Himmelherrgott!)", "timeStart": "120.360", "timeEnd": "132.780" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "durch hohe Anpassungskosten zum Beispiel für Hitzeschutz, Ernteausfälle, Versicherungsprämien oder Küstenschutz.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "durch hohe Anpassungskosten zum Beispiel für Hitzeschutz, Ernteausfälle, Versicherungsprämien oder Küstenschutz.", "timeStart": "125.120", "timeEnd": "132.780" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Mein Gott!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Mein Gott!)", "timeStart": "125.120", "timeEnd": "135.720" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Andrea Lindholz", "speakerstatus": "vice-president", "text": "Herr Kollege, es gibt den Wunsch zu einer Zwischenfrage aus der AfD-Fraktion. Wollen Sie sie zulassen?
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Herr Kollege, es gibt den Wunsch zu einer Zwischenfrage aus der AfD-Fraktion.", "timeStart": "132.780", "timeEnd": "135.720" }, { "text": "Wollen Sie sie zulassen?", "timeStart": "135.720", "timeEnd": "136.400" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Bei dem Gepöbel aus diesem Teil des Hauses werde ich heute keine Zwischenfrage zulassen.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Bei dem Gepöbel aus diesem Teil des Hauses werde ich heute keine Zwischenfrage zulassen.", "timeStart": "136.400", "timeEnd": "141.720" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beifall bei Abgeordneten der CDU/CSU, der SPD und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN und des Abg. Lorenz Gösta Beutin [Die Linke])
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beifall bei Abgeordneten der CDU/CSU, der SPD und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN und des Abg. Lorenz Gösta Beutin [Die Linke])", "timeStart": "136.400", "timeEnd": "144.160" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Andrea Lindholz", "speakerstatus": "vice-president", "text": "Keine Zwischenfrage, gut.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Keine Zwischenfrage, gut.", "timeStart": "141.720", "timeEnd": "144.160" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Deshalb müssen wir auch in weltpolitisch und wirtschaftlich schwierigen Zeiten am Klimaschutz festhalten. Die Tatsache, dass die Entscheidung der USA, aus dem Pariser Abkommen auszusteigen, keine Nachahmer gefunden hat, stimmt mich persönlich optimistisch
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Deshalb müssen wir auch in weltpolitisch und wirtschaftlich schwierigen Zeiten am Klimaschutz festhalten.", "timeStart": "144.160", "timeEnd": "150.020" }, { "text": "Die Tatsache, dass die Entscheidung der USA, aus dem Pariser Abkommen auszusteigen, keine Nachahmer gefunden hat, stimmt mich persönlich optimistisch", "timeStart": "150.020", "timeEnd": "159.640" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Aber das wird kommen! Das wird kommen!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Aber das wird kommen! Das wird kommen!)", "timeStart": "150.020", "timeEnd": "162.640" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "und sollte Ihnen zu denken geben.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "und sollte Ihnen zu denken geben.", "timeStart": "159.640", "timeEnd": "162.640" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beifall bei Abgeordneten der CDU/CSU und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN und des Abg. Jakob Blankenburg [SPD])
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beifall bei Abgeordneten der CDU/CSU und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN und des Abg. Jakob Blankenburg [SPD])", "timeStart": "159.640", "timeEnd": "170.160" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Voraussetzung für einen erfolgreichen Klimaschutz sind für uns Technologieoffenheit, die Entwicklung von Klimainnovationen
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Voraussetzung für einen erfolgreichen Klimaschutz sind für uns Technologieoffenheit, die Entwicklung von Klimainnovationen", "timeStart": "162.640", "timeEnd": "170.160" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: Ja, Verbrennerverbot! – Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Und dann ein Heizungsgesetz so auslegen!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: Ja, Verbrennerverbot! – Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Und dann ein Heizungsgesetz so auslegen!)", "timeStart": "162.640", "timeEnd": "173.380" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "und der Schutz unseres Industriestandorts. Gerade beim letzten Punkt sehe ich aktuell großen Handlungsbedarf, verehrte Kolleginnen und Kollegen. Die europäische Wirtschaft und insbesondere die gesamte deutsche Grundstoffindustrie ächzt unter dem großen Wettbewerbsdruck auf dem Weltmarkt –
", "sentences": [ { "text": "und der Schutz unseres Industriestandorts.", "timeStart": "170.160", "timeEnd": "173.380" }, { "text": "Gerade beim letzten Punkt sehe ich aktuell großen Handlungsbedarf, verehrte Kolleginnen und Kollegen.", "timeStart": "173.380", "timeEnd": "179.700" }, { "text": "Die europäische Wirtschaft und insbesondere die gesamte deutsche Grundstoffindustrie ächzt unter dem großen Wettbewerbsdruck auf dem Weltmarkt –", "timeStart": "179.700", "timeEnd": "187.720" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: Nee, unter Ihren Energiepreisen! – Zurufe der Abg. Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD] und Beatrix von Storch [AfD])
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: Nee, unter Ihren Energiepreisen! – Zurufe der Abg. Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD] und Beatrix von Storch [AfD])", "timeStart": "179.700", "timeEnd": "196.340" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "zu hohe Energiepreise, Probleme in den Lieferketten und Belastung durch die CO2-Bepreisung über den Europäischen Emissionshandel. Wir müssen daher handeln und die Rahmenbedingungen so anpassen, dass unsere Unternehmen in Deutschland und Europa bleiben
", "sentences": [ { "text": "zu hohe Energiepreise, Probleme in den Lieferketten und Belastung durch die CO2-Bepreisung über den Europäischen Emissionshandel.", "timeStart": "187.720", "timeEnd": "196.340" }, { "text": "Wir müssen daher handeln und die Rahmenbedingungen so anpassen, dass unsere Unternehmen in Deutschland und Europa bleiben", "timeStart": "196.340", "timeEnd": "203.040" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: Das geht mit der SPD nicht! – Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Wie wollen Sie das denn machen?)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: Das geht mit der SPD nicht! – Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Wie wollen Sie das denn machen?)", "timeStart": "196.340", "timeEnd": "206.820" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "und hier zunehmend klimaneutral produzieren können. Wenn die Unternehmen anderswo in der Welt mit niedrigeren Standards arbeiten, ist dem Weltklima nicht geholfen und schon gar nicht dem Wirtschaftsstandort Deutschland. Wir als schwarz-rote Koalition
", "sentences": [ { "text": "und hier zunehmend klimaneutral produzieren können.", "timeStart": "203.040", "timeEnd": "206.820" }, { "text": "Wenn die Unternehmen anderswo in der Welt mit niedrigeren Standards arbeiten, ist dem Weltklima nicht geholfen und schon gar nicht dem Wirtschaftsstandort Deutschland.", "timeStart": "206.820", "timeEnd": "215.660" }, { "text": "Wir als schwarz-rote Koalition", "timeStart": "215.660", "timeEnd": "218.000" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Ihr seid als schwarz-rote Koalition bald am Ende!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Ihr seid als schwarz-rote Koalition bald am Ende!)", "timeStart": "215.660", "timeEnd": "234.680" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "setzen uns deshalb bei der anstehenden Reform des EU-Emissionshandels für Industrie und Energie für mehr Flexibilität ein, zum Beispiel durch eine längere kostenfreie Zuteilung von Zertifikaten, die Anrechnung von Negativemissionen sowie CO2-Gutschriften aus Drittstaaten. Und wir sorgen dafür, dass der Preis im nationalen Brennstoffemissionshandel für Wärme und Kraftstoffe 2027 nicht steigt, sondern auf dem aktuellen Niveau bleibt.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "setzen uns deshalb bei der anstehenden Reform des EU-Emissionshandels für Industrie und Energie für mehr Flexibilität ein, zum Beispiel durch eine längere kostenfreie Zuteilung von Zertifikaten, die Anrechnung von Negativemissionen sowie CO2-Gutschriften aus Drittstaaten.", "timeStart": "218.000", "timeEnd": "234.680" }, { "text": "Und wir sorgen dafür, dass der Preis im nationalen Brennstoffemissionshandel für Wärme und Kraftstoffe 2027 nicht steigt, sondern auf dem aktuellen Niveau bleibt.", "timeStart": "234.680", "timeEnd": "247.200" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beifall bei der CDU/CSU sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beifall bei der CDU/CSU sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD)", "timeStart": "234.680", "timeEnd": "256.040" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Das hilft unseren Mittelständlern, die Wärme in der Produktion benötigen, aber auch den Bürgern, ob an der Tankstelle oder beim Heizen mit Öl und Gas.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Das hilft unseren Mittelständlern, die Wärme in der Produktion benötigen, aber auch den Bürgern, ob an der Tankstelle oder beim Heizen mit Öl und Gas.", "timeStart": "247.200", "timeEnd": "256.040" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Wir wollen keine weitere Wettbewerbsverzerrung im europäischen Binnenmarkt, sondern gleiche Rahmenbedingungen für alle in Europa. Wir setzen uns deshalb entschlossen für die Einführung des Europäischen Emissionshandels für Wärme und Verkehr ein.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Wir wollen keine weitere Wettbewerbsverzerrung im europäischen Binnenmarkt, sondern gleiche Rahmenbedingungen für alle in Europa.", "timeStart": "256.040", "timeEnd": "263.820" }, { "text": "Wir setzen uns deshalb entschlossen für die Einführung des Europäischen Emissionshandels für Wärme und Verkehr ein.", "timeStart": "263.820", "timeEnd": "270.500" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Mark Helfrich", "speakerstatus": "main-speaker", "text": "Meine Damen und Herren, Klimaschutzpolitik ist eine Generationenaufgabe. Lassen wir uns darin nicht beirren, sondern steuern wir dort nach, wo es sinnvoll und richtig ist! So macht es die Wissenschaft, so macht es verantwortungsvolle Politik, und so machen wir das.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Meine Damen und Herren, Klimaschutzpolitik ist eine Generationenaufgabe.", "timeStart": "270.500", "timeEnd": "275.400" }, { "text": "Lassen wir uns darin nicht beirren, sondern steuern wir dort nach, wo es sinnvoll und richtig ist!", "timeStart": "275.400", "timeEnd": "282.180" }, { "text": "So macht es die Wissenschaft, so macht es verantwortungsvolle Politik, und so machen wir das.", "timeStart": "282.180", "timeEnd": "288.020" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beifall bei der CDU/CSU sowie der Abg. Derya Türk-Nachbaur [SPD] – Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Wohin hat’s geführt? 22 Prozent! Versager! – Gegenruf der Abg. Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Noch zu viel! Die werden so untergehen!)
", "sentences": [ { "text": "(Beifall bei der CDU/CSU sowie der Abg. Derya Türk-Nachbaur [SPD] – Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Wohin hat’s geführt? 22 Prozent! Versager! – Gegenruf der Abg. Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Noch zu viel! Die werden so untergehen!)", "timeStart": "282.180", "timeEnd": "302.960" } ] }, { "type": "speech", "speaker": "Andrea Lindholz", "speakerstatus": "vice-president", "text": "Die nächste Rednerin in dieser Debatte ist für die Fraktion Bündnis 90/Die Grünen Julia Schneider.
", "sentences": [ { "text": "Die nächste Rednerin in dieser Debatte ist für die Fraktion Bündnis 90/Die Grünen Julia Schneider.", "timeStart": "288.020", "timeEnd": "302.960" } ] }, { "type": "comment", "speaker": null, "speakerstatus": null, "text": "(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN)
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Deshalb ist es gängige Praxis, dass führende Klimaforscher regelmäßig ihre Berechnungen und Klimaszenarien aktualisieren. Dass die Klimaforscher nun das Extremszenario mit dem technischen Namen RCP 8.5 für unplausibel erklären, ist also kein Grund, die gesamte politische Klimaarchitektur infrage zu stellen.
(Beifall bei der CDU/CSU sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN – Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: Doch! – Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Agora Energiewende!)
Ganz im Gegenteil,
(Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Die Grundlage ist weg! Aber wir machen weiter, klar!)
die Anpassung der Szenarien zeigt doch, dass die Umsetzung des Pariser Klimaabkommens, der technologische Fortschritt und der Ausbau der erneuerbaren Energien wirken,
(Beifall bei Abgeordneten der CDU/CSU, der SPD und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN – Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Um Gottes willen, das glauben Sie doch selber nicht!)
sie haben dafür gesorgt, dass dieses Extremszenario überflüssig geworden ist. Denn eine massive Ausweitung der Nutzung von Kohle ist mittlerweile unrealistisch.
(Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: China, dauernd Kohle!)
Das ist doch eine gute Nachricht für den internationalen Klimaschutz.
(Zuruf des Abg. Dr. Rainer Kraft [AfD])
Kolleginnen und Kollegen von der AfD, Sie sind auf dem Irrweg, und Sie sind sich nicht zu schade für den billigen Versuch, hier einen Pseudoskandal zu konstruieren.
(Beifall bei der CDU/CSU sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN – Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Wahnsinn! Das ist der Grund, warum Sie bald untergehen! Wegen des Irrsinns! Sie sind ja schlimmer als die Grünen! – Dr. Rainer Kraft [AfD]: 22 Prozent!)
Wir hingegen sehen den Kurs in der internationalen Klimapolitik durch den Wegfall des Extremszenarios bestätigt.
Zur Wahrheit gehört aber auch – und das sage ich ganz deutlich –: Selbst wenn eine Erderwärmung von 4 bis 6 Grad Celsius vom Tisch ist,
(Zuruf der Abg. Beatrix von Storch [AfD])
so darf die Staatengemeinschaft in ihren Anstrengungen, den Temperaturanstieg zu begrenzen, nicht nachlassen.
(Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Nein, Sie müssen das noch steigern! Dann sind Sie noch schneller weg! – Gegenruf der Abg. Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Genau!)
Auch eine weniger extreme Erderwärmung hat massive Auswirkungen auf unsere Lebensgrundlagen,
(Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Es bleibt so schlimm, wie angekündigt!)
die Gesundheit von Mensch und Tier und, ja, am Ende auch auf unseren Wohlstand,
(Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Den ruinieren Sie seit Jahren vorsätzlich! – Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Himmelherrgott!)
durch hohe Anpassungskosten zum Beispiel für Hitzeschutz, Ernteausfälle, Versicherungsprämien oder Küstenschutz.
(Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Mein Gott!)
Herr Kollege, es gibt den Wunsch zu einer Zwischenfrage aus der AfD-Fraktion. Wollen Sie sie zulassen?
Bei dem Gepöbel aus diesem Teil des Hauses werde ich heute keine Zwischenfrage zulassen.
(Beifall bei Abgeordneten der CDU/CSU, der SPD und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN und des Abg. Lorenz Gösta Beutin [Die Linke])
Keine Zwischenfrage, gut.
Deshalb müssen wir auch in weltpolitisch und wirtschaftlich schwierigen Zeiten am Klimaschutz festhalten. Die Tatsache, dass die Entscheidung der USA, aus dem Pariser Abkommen auszusteigen, keine Nachahmer gefunden hat, stimmt mich persönlich optimistisch
(Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Aber das wird kommen! Das wird kommen!)
und sollte Ihnen zu denken geben.
(Beifall bei Abgeordneten der CDU/CSU und des BÜNDNISSES 90/DIE GRÜNEN und des Abg. Jakob Blankenburg [SPD])
Voraussetzung für einen erfolgreichen Klimaschutz sind für uns Technologieoffenheit, die Entwicklung von Klimainnovationen
(Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: Ja, Verbrennerverbot! – Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Und dann ein Heizungsgesetz so auslegen!)
und der Schutz unseres Industriestandorts. Gerade beim letzten Punkt sehe ich aktuell großen Handlungsbedarf, verehrte Kolleginnen und Kollegen. Die europäische Wirtschaft und insbesondere die gesamte deutsche Grundstoffindustrie ächzt unter dem großen Wettbewerbsdruck auf dem Weltmarkt –
(Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: Nee, unter Ihren Energiepreisen! – Zurufe der Abg. Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD] und Beatrix von Storch [AfD])
zu hohe Energiepreise, Probleme in den Lieferketten und Belastung durch die CO2-Bepreisung über den Europäischen Emissionshandel. Wir müssen daher handeln und die Rahmenbedingungen so anpassen, dass unsere Unternehmen in Deutschland und Europa bleiben
(Dr. Bernd Baumann [AfD]: Das geht mit der SPD nicht! – Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Wie wollen Sie das denn machen?)
und hier zunehmend klimaneutral produzieren können. Wenn die Unternehmen anderswo in der Welt mit niedrigeren Standards arbeiten, ist dem Weltklima nicht geholfen und schon gar nicht dem Wirtschaftsstandort Deutschland. Wir als schwarz-rote Koalition
(Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Ihr seid als schwarz-rote Koalition bald am Ende!)
setzen uns deshalb bei der anstehenden Reform des EU-Emissionshandels für Industrie und Energie für mehr Flexibilität ein, zum Beispiel durch eine längere kostenfreie Zuteilung von Zertifikaten, die Anrechnung von Negativemissionen sowie CO2-Gutschriften aus Drittstaaten. Und wir sorgen dafür, dass der Preis im nationalen Brennstoffemissionshandel für Wärme und Kraftstoffe 2027 nicht steigt, sondern auf dem aktuellen Niveau bleibt.
(Beifall bei der CDU/CSU sowie bei Abgeordneten der SPD)
Das hilft unseren Mittelständlern, die Wärme in der Produktion benötigen, aber auch den Bürgern, ob an der Tankstelle oder beim Heizen mit Öl und Gas.
Wir wollen keine weitere Wettbewerbsverzerrung im europäischen Binnenmarkt, sondern gleiche Rahmenbedingungen für alle in Europa. Wir setzen uns deshalb entschlossen für die Einführung des Europäischen Emissionshandels für Wärme und Verkehr ein.
Meine Damen und Herren, Klimaschutzpolitik ist eine Generationenaufgabe. Lassen wir uns darin nicht beirren, sondern steuern wir dort nach, wo es sinnvoll und richtig ist! So macht es die Wissenschaft, so macht es verantwortungsvolle Politik, und so machen wir das.
(Beifall bei der CDU/CSU sowie der Abg. Derya Türk-Nachbaur [SPD] – Udo Theodor Hemmelgarn [AfD]: Wohin hat’s geführt? 22 Prozent! Versager! – Gegenruf der Abg. Beatrix von Storch [AfD]: Noch zu viel! Die werden so untergehen!)
Die nächste Rednerin in dieser Debatte ist für die Fraktion Bündnis 90/Die Grünen Julia Schneider.
(Beifall beim BÜNDNIS 90/DIE GRÜNEN)
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